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		<title>By: Fast Castle</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Fast Castle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful essays.  The best on the topic I've seen.  

I'd like to propose a different reading:  that Didact and Librarian reunite on earth after the events narrated on the terminals.  Their reunion is foreshadowed in several ways, though is never directly narrated.

As you say, it's an old story: war-torn lovers separated by cataclysmic events. But archetypically -- and unlike the story you've outlined -- the lovers always reunite.  It's a common mythological motif: Odysseus and Penelope, Orpheus and Eurydice, Desmond and Penny (if you watch Lost). 

We know from the beginning that reunion is on Didact's mind: "If you will not come to me, I will find my way to you."

That sets up the lovers' reunion quest right there: I will find my way to you. Later he/she reports that MB has betrayed them. But then she says unexpectedly: 

"But now I can guess where you are."

Why is this line here?  You respond: "His last words lay claim to where she is, a planet which is highly-regarded, but when they fall from his mouth, rather than immediately speed off to her in these final hours, he remains still and unmoved. His inaction here is never understood, but can really be examined here as an individualized analogy for the entire Forerunner race’s inaction over 300 years."

Excellent, but it's overly complex as an explanation.  The simpler possibility is that Didact still intends to rescue Librarian.   

Remember that Didact and Librarian are separated not only by distance but by ideology as well. Didact hangs onto old ways, the Mantle, etc.. Librarian is more progressive. Burdened by the guilt of firing the Halo's, Didact realizes the flaws in her beliefs, in her culture. She prepares to leave her Forerunner life behind forever.

This explains the strange letter to the "Father." This letter is written by Didact, not by a random, unknown character.  You say it's a letter of a soldier leaving for war, but that's not how it reads.  This is a figure abnegating Forerunner ways.  It dramatizes how he/she is breaking from her world, his culture, the Mantle, everything (represented by the "Father"). I believe Didact intends to start anew with Librarian on earth. 

He/she says she intends to "to [travel the path of demons[?]] to spare the hands of [another Father’s son]." To travel the path of demons is the translator's tortured way of saying she's going to take an unorthodox path.  

"To spare the hands of another father's son" is a direct reference to rescuing Librarian!
  
Didact is worried about him/her, and can't abandon him on earth. Her letter is filled with declarations of her new commitment to the future, and her abandonment of the past. 

Like the hippies in the late 60's, guilt-ridden Didact must get back to the garden, back to innocence. Her complete abandonment of Forerunner culture explains why humans have no memory of their Forerunner past. Didact and Librarian forsake their history in order to start over, new and innocent. 

In other words Librarian and Didact are our Adam and Eve. 

Things we don't know:

We don't know how the assimilation between indigenous Sapian and Forerunner plays out. But we can be certain that the Forerunner back-story has been leading up to the Genesis story all along. 

Interestingly Adam and Eve's offspring (Cain) also encounters unexplained humans in Genesis, and presumably mates with them.   Also, early biblical figures also seem to have extended life spans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful essays.  The best on the topic I&#8217;ve seen.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to propose a different reading:  that Didact and Librarian reunite on earth after the events narrated on the terminals.  Their reunion is foreshadowed in several ways, though is never directly narrated.</p>
<p>As you say, it&#8217;s an old story: war-torn lovers separated by cataclysmic events. But archetypically &#8212; and unlike the story you&#8217;ve outlined &#8212; the lovers always reunite.  It&#8217;s a common mythological motif: Odysseus and Penelope, Orpheus and Eurydice, Desmond and Penny (if you watch Lost). </p>
<p>We know from the beginning that reunion is on Didact&#8217;s mind: &#8220;If you will not come to me, I will find my way to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sets up the lovers&#8217; reunion quest right there: I will find my way to you. Later he/she reports that MB has betrayed them. But then she says unexpectedly: </p>
<p>&#8220;But now I can guess where you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is this line here?  You respond: &#8220;His last words lay claim to where she is, a planet which is highly-regarded, but when they fall from his mouth, rather than immediately speed off to her in these final hours, he remains still and unmoved. His inaction here is never understood, but can really be examined here as an individualized analogy for the entire Forerunner race’s inaction over 300 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent, but it&#8217;s overly complex as an explanation.  The simpler possibility is that Didact still intends to rescue Librarian.   </p>
<p>Remember that Didact and Librarian are separated not only by distance but by ideology as well. Didact hangs onto old ways, the Mantle, etc.. Librarian is more progressive. Burdened by the guilt of firing the Halo&#8217;s, Didact realizes the flaws in her beliefs, in her culture. She prepares to leave her Forerunner life behind forever.</p>
<p>This explains the strange letter to the &#8220;Father.&#8221; This letter is written by Didact, not by a random, unknown character.  You say it&#8217;s a letter of a soldier leaving for war, but that&#8217;s not how it reads.  This is a figure abnegating Forerunner ways.  It dramatizes how he/she is breaking from her world, his culture, the Mantle, everything (represented by the &#8220;Father&#8221;). I believe Didact intends to start anew with Librarian on earth. </p>
<p>He/she says she intends to &#8220;to [travel the path of demons[?]] to spare the hands of [another Father’s son].&#8221; To travel the path of demons is the translator&#8217;s tortured way of saying she&#8217;s going to take an unorthodox path.  </p>
<p>&#8220;To spare the hands of another father&#8217;s son&#8221; is a direct reference to rescuing Librarian!</p>
<p>Didact is worried about him/her, and can&#8217;t abandon him on earth. Her letter is filled with declarations of her new commitment to the future, and her abandonment of the past. </p>
<p>Like the hippies in the late 60&#8217;s, guilt-ridden Didact must get back to the garden, back to innocence. Her complete abandonment of Forerunner culture explains why humans have no memory of their Forerunner past. Didact and Librarian forsake their history in order to start over, new and innocent. </p>
<p>In other words Librarian and Didact are our Adam and Eve. </p>
<p>Things we don&#8217;t know:</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how the assimilation between indigenous Sapian and Forerunner plays out. But we can be certain that the Forerunner back-story has been leading up to the Genesis story all along. </p>
<p>Interestingly Adam and Eve&#8217;s offspring (Cain) also encounters unexplained humans in Genesis, and presumably mates with them.   Also, early biblical figures also seem to have extended life spans.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Chat</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Chat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this blog on a google search and boy am I glad I did. I thought I heard someone mention it in a free chat room. 
Awesome read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this blog on a google search and boy am I glad I did. I thought I heard someone mention it in a free chat room.<br />
Awesome read!</p>
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		<title>By: Malignant Resolve</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Malignant Resolve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your masterful pieces here, I am more and more convinced that the Onyx Project was indeed a Shield Array were some Forerunners and indexed species have been deported, with some of them put in some sort of stasis (like Didact), to survive the firing of the Halo rings.

I also suspect that the human race (probably centuries/millenniums) AFTER the events of Halo 3 are the Precursors to the Forerunners, the Forerunners being themselves humans. This would explain the "mysteries about our origins" talked about in the Terminal entries, as well as the "special relationship" between humans and Forerunners. Time would be a cycle. Whether this is through time travel or some more natural -yet unknown- process is yet to be discovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your masterful pieces here, I am more and more convinced that the Onyx Project was indeed a Shield Array were some Forerunners and indexed species have been deported, with some of them put in some sort of stasis (like Didact), to survive the firing of the Halo rings.</p>
<p>I also suspect that the human race (probably centuries/millenniums) AFTER the events of Halo 3 are the Precursors to the Forerunners, the Forerunners being themselves humans. This would explain the &#8220;mysteries about our origins&#8221; talked about in the Terminal entries, as well as the &#8220;special relationship&#8221; between humans and Forerunners. Time would be a cycle. Whether this is through time travel or some more natural -yet unknown- process is yet to be discovered.</p>
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		<title>By: Xel</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Xel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Wonderfully written. I actually came close to tears reading "She died in Eden". Well done. That goes out to both the writer with his beautiful terminal insights and interpretations, as well as bungie for the actual concept and masterfully contrived placement of stories with stories within stories.

The Halo universe is largely successful for it's ability to capture the minds of completely different persons. From "Trigger-Happy" to "Die-Hard Romantic", the Halo universe has finally captured the essence of every aspect of humanity. Even if that humanity is hidden behind the unknown face of a fictitious alien species who desperately strived for the Utopia that deep-down all mankind secretly lusts for.

Bravo. Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Wonderfully written. I actually came close to tears reading &#8220;She died in Eden&#8221;. Well done. That goes out to both the writer with his beautiful terminal insights and interpretations, as well as bungie for the actual concept and masterfully contrived placement of stories with stories within stories.</p>
<p>The Halo universe is largely successful for it&#8217;s ability to capture the minds of completely different persons. From &#8220;Trigger-Happy&#8221; to &#8220;Die-Hard Romantic&#8221;, the Halo universe has finally captured the essence of every aspect of humanity. Even if that humanity is hidden behind the unknown face of a fictitious alien species who desperately strived for the Utopia that deep-down all mankind secretly lusts for.</p>
<p>Bravo. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: UnicornZombie</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-350</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I believe that the hypothesis proposed by vociferous is possible, I just feel that there is another reason for humanity's significance in the eyes of the Forerunners.  The way that I see it, the Forerunners saw potential in humanity's ability to comprehend and learn.  
   Most of the other sentient species in Halo lore were able to achieve their technological advancements by copying the technology from Forerunner relics left on their planet.  Though these species weren't able to master the technology to the extent of the Forerunners they were able to achieve enough of an understanding to rich the point that they did.  
   Humanity and Earth, on the other hand were essentially free of Forerunner technology --albeit The Ark-- yet they were still able to achieve interstellar travel and colonize other areas of space.  
   It is probable that the Forerunner would have been able to achieve a similar, if not the same, level of advancement.  However, it is also possible that it may not have happened as quickly as the humans advanced because of the their long life-span.  It is just natural --with humans at least-- that innovation and progress only truly happens when a generations applies the ideas and technology of a generations past.  With humanity's short life-span, this allows for a greater diversity of thought and, thus, a shorter time for progress.
   Forerunners, though, couldn't have this luxury.  With there extremely lengthy life-span, it would make it nearly impossible to have an even moderately reproductive species because it would be impossible for a planet to sustain hundreds if not a thousand years of beings.  
    This brings me to my next point, why the Forerunners were so impressed with Earth when they could just replicate its beauty fairly easily.  It is my strong belief that the Forerunner's home world, as well as many others, were particularly barren and natural beauty was scarce.  Why else would The Librarian make such a point of how a seed would so easily sprout.  Also, why would nature play such a huge role in their many installations when they were made for such important reasons.  Perhaps, since natural beauty was so rare, it would be the pinnacle of The Mantle for them to sustain this beauty and be a perfect sign of their guardianship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I believe that the hypothesis proposed by vociferous is possible, I just feel that there is another reason for humanity&#8217;s significance in the eyes of the Forerunners.  The way that I see it, the Forerunners saw potential in humanity&#8217;s ability to comprehend and learn.<br />
   Most of the other sentient species in Halo lore were able to achieve their technological advancements by copying the technology from Forerunner relics left on their planet.  Though these species weren&#8217;t able to master the technology to the extent of the Forerunners they were able to achieve enough of an understanding to rich the point that they did.<br />
   Humanity and Earth, on the other hand were essentially free of Forerunner technology &#8211;albeit The Ark&#8211; yet they were still able to achieve interstellar travel and colonize other areas of space.<br />
   It is probable that the Forerunner would have been able to achieve a similar, if not the same, level of advancement.  However, it is also possible that it may not have happened as quickly as the humans advanced because of the their long life-span.  It is just natural &#8211;with humans at least&#8211; that innovation and progress only truly happens when a generations applies the ideas and technology of a generations past.  With humanity&#8217;s short life-span, this allows for a greater diversity of thought and, thus, a shorter time for progress.<br />
   Forerunners, though, couldn&#8217;t have this luxury.  With there extremely lengthy life-span, it would make it nearly impossible to have an even moderately reproductive species because it would be impossible for a planet to sustain hundreds if not a thousand years of beings.<br />
    This brings me to my next point, why the Forerunners were so impressed with Earth when they could just replicate its beauty fairly easily.  It is my strong belief that the Forerunner&#8217;s home world, as well as many others, were particularly barren and natural beauty was scarce.  Why else would The Librarian make such a point of how a seed would so easily sprout.  Also, why would nature play such a huge role in their many installations when they were made for such important reasons.  Perhaps, since natural beauty was so rare, it would be the pinnacle of The Mantle for them to sustain this beauty and be a perfect sign of their guardianship.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-330</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(comment 13)

he had a desies that made him immune</description>
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<p>he had a desies that made him immune</p>
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		<title>By: komokasi wofl</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-328</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may be humans, or more specifically the apes that we evolved from were deemed most appropriate for the Forerunners DNA to survive the flood since the forerunners did do reaserch on the flood and even though no cure or immunity was found amongst them, humanity might of carried some sort of possible genetic mutation that would of fought the infection, hence Sgt Johnson not being infected in Halo 2


HA I WIN !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may be humans, or more specifically the apes that we evolved from were deemed most appropriate for the Forerunners DNA to survive the flood since the forerunners did do reaserch on the flood and even though no cure or immunity was found amongst them, humanity might of carried some sort of possible genetic mutation that would of fought the infection, hence Sgt Johnson not being infected in Halo 2</p>
<p>HA I WIN !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comment 8... sorry</description>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(copmmenting on part B of comment 8) maybe only decendants of forerunners could become spartans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(copmmenting on part B of comment <img src='http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> maybe only decendants of forerunners could become spartans</p>
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		<title>By: rory</title>
		<link>http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/2008/03/30/the-terminals-ii/#comment-302</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and to #6, How does the year 5000 BC make sense scientifically? Humans were around during the last ice age which was somewhere aroung 10 000 - 15 000 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and to #6, How does the year 5000 BC make sense scientifically? Humans were around during the last ice age which was somewhere aroung 10 000 - 15 000 years ago.</p>
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